The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. Location: Upwind of the Giant Plaster Lemon. If you just purchased it you know the "value", if acquired some other way a picture would be necessary to give you a good idea. Black Cherry darken with age and are almost impossible to distinguish from Walnut. American Black Walnut was the most common wood used. We hope to raise awareness and understanding for the collector community, as well as encourage new collectors to join the hobby. Ordnance facility post WWII and/or after the Korean War, sometimes involving a complete overhaul that stripped the carbine and rebuilt it from different parts. One manufacturer separated out smaller blocks of serial numbers for use by subcontractors who would use these to strengthen the Type III stock that were carried over into use in all of the M2 stocks. during the time the carbines were manufactured. Dating a carbine by its serial number alone is difficult and not always accurate given the circumstances inherent with manufacturing and the logistics situation Over 6 million were made by a number of U.S. companies to assist with the all out war effort. Normally, sanded and refinished wood is quite easy to spot. Some of these blocks were split up and used before or after other blocks. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Irwin-Pedersendid not produce barrels. Read about the Saginaw (S.G.) carbines here: Serial number blocks assigned by the government. Some were sequential but many were not. Walnut, Birch, and Cherry stocks were placed in raw linseed oil for a period of time, There is a P stamp where it should be. Refinished wood is normally quite easy to spot as are restruck, refreshed or enhanced stock markings. American Black Walnut heartwood can range from a lighter pale brown to a dark chocolate brown with darker brown streaks. The best way to ensure an item is yours is to purchase it directly off the website. There is no bayonet lug. In addition, when the carbines were overhauled, the initials of the ordnance facility were often stamped on the stock. Many were constructed using whatever parts standard for all type V M2 pot belly stocks by all manufacturers. block in the same time frame. The Type I rear sight is marked with a partial S on the left, RP on the right, and RP on the front of the aperture which are Irwin-Pedersen marks (page 29). This M1 Carbine will stand out in any collection. A. What does a 10,000 dollar insulator look like? Overall Condition:This rifle retains about 90% of its metal finish as refinished. But for some reason, buying a gun online can The metal shows scrapes, scratches, and discoloration from oil residue and oxidation. This website intentionally omits the information on which manufacturer used which inspection marks, crossed cannons, their size, and their spatial relationship to one another. The 15 round magazine is not available to residents of California or any other state with magazine capacity restrictions. I have one, 1776xxx. The Irwin-Pedersen contracts were terminated by Ordnance. The early Type I stock is a Saginaw SG stock made after SG took over the factory, but it was still made in the samefactory as the previous Type IIrwin-Pedersen stocks. Markings: There is no visible import mark. Overall, the gun is in nice condition. The resulting grooves could serve as a precision mounting for something, night-sight or other. A sometimes overlooked area is the back of the operating slide where it comes into contact with the gas piston. Barrel Date: March, 1943 Caliber: .30 Carbine Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine Markings: Our research indicates that it is an Irwin-Pedersen subcontractor mark from the Keller Bras Company. Carbines have been, and still are, This is due to the fact that, except for extremely late production Winchester and Inland examples, WWII carbines will have several features in common. Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments Legacy Collectibles strives to provide quality investment-grade military collectibles to an appreciative public. The top of the barrel is marked INLAND MFG. The quantity of carbines used by their Engineering Section varied so the numbers with each prefix also varied. The Discussion Forum also serves as a reference desk for the more advanced material that could easily overwhelm a website and is often subject to opinions that may vary Rebuild marks are rarely forged as they devalue the carbine in the eyes of most collectors. The hand guard should also be removed when possible to determine that it is properly coded to match the stock. Therefore, a carbine made by any of the other firms will not have barrels made by the same company that produced the receiver. The LOP measures 13 inches from the front of the trigger to the back of the buttplate. Think of each serial number block as a separate contract. reconstruction of this history, we have a short survey on our forum (with instructions) All Rights Reserved. Saginaw Steering Gear Division of General Motors Grand Rapids. Parkerizing found on such parts is clear evidence that the weapon is not all original. Below is a breakdown of the parts: Barrel: Inland. The receiver is marked Saginaw S'G', the barrel shows Underwood 8 43 with the bomb underneath. CARBINE / CAL. During WWII the only stocks made with Birch were made by Sprague & Carleton Co. of Keene, NH for IBM (SC-B). We can be contacted at the following e-mail address. The example on the bottom of the handgrip (below) shows the circled P in san serif within a 1/2 inch diameter circle over stamped with an Ordnance rebuild P. Carbines having been rebuilt more than once will sometimes have stock was thickened below the slide earning this stock the nickname of the "M2 Pot Belly stock". The bottom of the grip is marked with a circled P proof. Many online gun sales actually take away from your local Serial numbered receivers transferred were not restricted to a certain block of serial numbers. On the other hand, a detailed examination of a carbine is not always possible and the above parts can be looked at without even picking up the carbine from a gun show table, choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. *Post Reserved in case I run out of space*. Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. CARBINE / CAL. There is, however, spotty wear and thinning along the barrel and around the muzzle. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. Generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with a competently restored carbine,ifthe fact it has been restored is passed along to a subsequent purchaser and the weapon is priced accordingly. Newer Post , Spotting a Restored or otherwise non-original M1 Carbine. Some people estimate a carbine's date of manufacture by adding the quantities manufactured month to month The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. Year of Manufacture:1942 to 1944. I bought it a few years ago from another Calguns member. .30 M1. and the top rear is marked SAGINAW S G / 1872994. Unfortunately, after the weapon has changed hands one or two times, this knowledge is often lost forever, so any carbine seen today that is purported to be all original must be scrutinized very closely. A few stock and/or carbine restoration Since many of the parts were produced by subcontractors often hundreds, if not thousands, of miles apart, the parkerizing found on such parts would certainly not be expected to be uniform. Early Winchester stocks may have no markings or a manufacturers mark inside the stock.Springfield Armory markings were placed inside the stock adjacent the barrel channel.A few manufacturers used letter codes inside the stock having meaning only to the manufacturer. How long ago? C+B I.I.P. on your local stores shelf, most retailers drop ship it from a warehouse in It is only fair that some context of time be added to such comments. This isnt to say that there is anything wrong with such a piece, but if someone is looking for an original WWII carbine, they need to keep looking. The underside of the handguard is marked with a flaming bomb and a partial IR-IP stamping which was used by by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 138). Winchester made 828,059, followed by Underwood Elliott-Fisher at 545,616, Among the most sought after U.S. martial arms today are original, unaltered M1 carbines remaining in their as issued WWII factory configuration. The stock is pretty clean and has cartouche markings on it. Ordnance also inspected There are some exceptions to this rule as several prime contractors are known to have utilized parts made for other prime contractors. DIV. After determining that the parts appear to be of the proper vintage and coded to match the prime contractor, the finish of the metal should be considered. It must be noted that a number of the prime contractors did not manufacture barrels and used those made by other firms. final inspection. 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. S-C [stamped sideways] O-S [in curved type] SI SL [circled] Used early in production. Simi Valley, CA 93065. As issued, carbine stocks had a raised grain and generally had a dull finish. By signing up you agree to Guns.com's XA27, XA62, XD14). We did not fire this rifle. There is fouling and intermittent light erosion in the grooves. A number of researchers and authors are present on the forums, helping others and seeking information for various research projects. Inland receivers initially rejected because of an off spec deep hole drilled for the recoil spring and guide, later recovered and altered to use a detachable main spring housing). Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments Fun to shoot and ammo is readably available, I have about 400 rounds with it. Only Irwin-Pedersen & Saginaw SG receivers were produced with a tooling hole (page 22 of Craig Rieschs book, U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production 7th Edition). rebuilt from spare parts. This change was not implemented in conjunction with the longer barrel channel Also, any indention in the wood at the tip of the stock covered by the barrel band should be examined. M1 Carbine Saginaw Type 1A barrel band complete. Some enterprising fakers have welded up very deep staking punch marks, ground off the excess and refinished the receiver. Carbines that have one of these serial numbers may be an Engineering prototype, a "presentation" carbine, or both. Therefore, just because a carbine retains its original parkerizing, this does not mean that it was never overhauled. No specific manufacture dates are listed due to a number of reasons explained on pages 24 to 26 of Scott Duffs book, The M1 Carbine Owners Guide. At least one document has been found that indicates Saginaw received Ordnance The absence of the letter P in either of these locations is fairly common. IP used some Rockola wood at their start up. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. over the years has sometimes conflicted with the information in these documents. 30 M1.; the top rear is marked SAGINAW S G / 3426991. Inland later decided to present carbines as gifts to Inland employees, It has a high wood stock and the serial number is in the 3.3 mils. Keep in mind, U.S. There were 3 basic handguard styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. The serial number was placed on the carbine receiver during the manufacturing process of the receiver, not when the carbine was finally assembled. With World War 2 M1 sling. What caught my eyes right at the start when I purchased the little rifle was the unusual rear sight. The markings on the This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our. Also, have bandoliers & stripper clips & sling. Everything Stamper G.S. receivers were brought back online and completed (i.e. due to a lack of original documentation. Heck I should take some photos later. Yes this is correct 100% stock even with rebuild mark is about 2-300, https://app.photobucket.com/u/SupraR0-39ecec2fbcbc. The sling well is marked RSG which was used bySaginaw SG, Irwin-Pedersen, and Saginaw Gear(page 108 109). If a receiver was scrapped and not used, its serial number may or may not have been reused. These marks have been oiled. had passed inspection. Here is a brief explanation as to why they are highly sought after by M1 Carbine collectors. Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. SG on left side of some receivers, not all. More data submissions are needed to help determine any patterns. for carbines having damaged or obliterated serial numbers. If you own one of these carbines and would like to assist with the They are a little bit rare, and the price is usually way too high. A brand new condition stock on a carbine with well-used metal components is a sure indication that something is amiss. The barrel shows scrapes & small scratches as well as discoloration from oxidation and from the cold blue. How much is a CMP Garand worth? A M1 GARAND rifle is currently worth an average price of $2,024.47 new and $1,615.82 used . How much is an M1 Garand in 2020? M1C Garand Sniper Model Many of these so-called pot belly stocks were used on rebuilt M1 carbines but were not used on production M1 carbines during WWII. We'rebringing a level of That serial number was issued to Standard Products. And unlike our competitors, it extends beyond the buying process. 217: M1 Carbine Barrel Band Type 3 (Bayonet lug)Used G.I. Each prime contractor was assigned a code letter: Therefore, for example, a carbine made by Rock Ola would be expected to have all R coded parts. The buttplate shows light scrapes & some discoloration along the edge. Inland Mfg - Engineering & Presentation Gifts. By the way, the company that produced the receiver is deemed the prime contractor. My S' G' is serial number 1991044 and does not fit within any of the serial number ranges listed. then allowed to dry. Your carbine was one of the M1 carbines used by the Bavarian government after the end of WWII. service to the online gun buying experience that is unheard of. The bore shows an M.E. If the finish was in acceptable condition at the time of the overhaul inspection, the weapon was not normally refinished. Saginaw M1 Carbine .30 Carbine Semi-Auto Rifle Blue Sky Import - C&R - 12500203. Serial numbered receivers that failed to pass inspection were set aside as rejects if the defect(s) could not be brought up to minimum standards. These stamps were commercially manufactured for use on the M1 Make:Saginaw SG. The latter looks like what you find on captured and refurbished German P-38 pistols that were made matching by manual application of an electric scribe. Manufacture date shows 9-43 with barrel date 9-43. And here are some as yet unidentified maker's marks (Please send me an e-mail if you know for certain who made these. of 0.5. Here is my $50 Saginaw S'G' - IP Carbine. Need Help Identifying Marks and value on My New SG M1. If a stock has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood but is absent the cutout for the Saginaw SG took over the Irwin-Pedersen facility in April of 1943 and produced M1 Carbines using Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG parts. were available. Documents found in the past have identified several prime contractors who assigned subsets of their serial numbers to their subcontractor(s). designated it as a replacement. The U.S. Carbine Caliber .30 Stock Group Wood & Finish Walnut Birch The two most common types of wood used for Caliber .30 Carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. Thank you. A few of the manufacturers used subcontractors to manufacture their receivers. The M1 Carbine contributed greatly to U.S. efforts during WWII. The muzzle gauges 2.5. We would like to encourage you to share information you may have that will help reconstruct what was actually done versus planned. General Motors Steering Gear Division. When the adjustable sights are removed and replaced by the correct vintage L type sight, these punch marks are often apparent and reveal the fact that a later sight was installed at one time. When CMP had a bunch of M1 Carbine for sale that were from Spain or Italy I bought one and it is a Saginaw. The SG denotes that it was made for the Inland Division of GM by the Saginaw Steering Gear Division of GM. the store. Spend your time enjoying the gun you want, not getting frustrated with a complex website that makes gun buying hard. If a parkerized bolt is observed, the piece is almost certainly not all original. own to figure out what you want. An adjustable rear sight and bayonet lug were added, likely for issue during the Korean War. The Discussion Forum also serves as a reference desk for the more advanced material that could easily overwhelm a website and is often subject to opinions that may vary All matching even the trigger group. Chambered in .30 cal, A very scarce WW2 Saginaw manufacture U.S. M1 Carbine .30 Caliber Semi-Auto rifle. This P was in a font other than sans serif, sometimes the letter P alone, within a square, or within a circle of various diameters other than 1/2". Alcohol, Tobbaco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency. NOTE: We have added in the descriptions of parts we have of different markings we have come across over the years. Resulting in the change of the design to the type V stock. Some restorers have attempted to file down the sight base to reduce or eliminate the punch marks but this normally requires reparkerizing to hide the work. This included a few of the previous Engineering carbines no longer needed. They put on the Mauser type rear sight and milled the original rear sight pedestal to reduce glare. The rebuilt rifles are identifiable from the markings left by the companies that rebuilt them. CARBINE / CAL. There is minor wear concentrated around the high edges of the receiver. The one and only finish approved for use on the wood of the Caliber .30 Carbine was raw linseed oil. As time goes on more and more carbines are having parts replaced. The Type I rear sight is marked with a partial S on the left which is consistent with Saginaw SG and others (page 29). found to indicate this was done by the original manufacturer(s). two Ordnance rebuild P's. GENERAL MOTORS" It has been fitted with the adjustable sight, type 3 barrel band, and rotary safety sometime in DIV. Most of the markings are deep. Commercially manufactured modern day replicas of the dies/stamps used for markings are often used in "restoration". serial numbers concurrent to receivers being made by the prime contractor and/or other subcontractors assigned lower or higher serial number blocks. There is grease residue on the receiver. Free shipping for many products! The left side of the receiver (under the wood) is marked X and has a tooling hole at the rear. All Rights Reserved. Saginaw Carbines made in the original Saginaw, Michigan factory are marked S.G. or SG. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. the first M2 stocks. The receiver is stamped SAGINAW SG with no dots or other markings between the letters. Questions should be posted in the appropriate forum. The edge of the buttplate is marked PM-IPwhich is an Irwin-Pedersen mark(page 111). The one and only finish approved for use on stocks & handguards was raw linseed oil. Ser. It makes a difference. Typically these punch marks are rather deep and readily apparent. No matter what you hunt, or what type of gun you prefer to hunt with, Guns.com offers options for everyone. author's opinion these replica stamps should be altered in a manner that makes the marks readily identifiable replicas and not the originals, as most people wouldn't know the difference. Any completed Irwin-Pederson rifles were most likely reassembled and reinspected by Saginaw SG after they took over the contract. / 44. Ordnance Department Acceptance Marks (cartouche), End User Marks added in the years after issue, Some stocks were marked with the crossed cannons only, Some stocks were marked with an inspection mark and crossed cannons, Sometimes the cartouche has worn off over time and use, Many inspection marks and/or crossed cannons were stamped at a slight angle causing a deeper imprint on one side than the other, The inspection mark and crossed cannon designs are specific to the prime contractor who assembled the carbine, The height, width, and positioning of the inspection mark and crossed cannons in relation to one another were also specific to the manufacturer, Replica metal stamps with which to forge or duplicate the cartouches are sold by a number of retailers. Irwin-Pedersenhad assembled only 3,542 guns at the time, none of which were accepted by the government. This beautiful firearm is part of a 50+ year old collection! The right side of the receiver and the bolt light thinning from cycling. As originally manufactured, many of the parts were stamped with initials of the prime contractor and, in some cases, the subcontractor that actually manufactured the part. In 1942 the Ordinance District requested of General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Division take over the M1 carbine production assigned to Irwin-Pedersen in Grand Rapids. barrel includes a date, it may provide a general idea of when the barrel was attached to the receiver. Therefore, it is very important to examine the rear sight dovetail area very closely even though the correct type of non-adjustable rear sight may be present. This Irwin-Pedersen M1 Carbine uses almost all original Irwin-Pedersen parts that were made prior to Saginaw SG taking over. The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes. The rear sight is at the front end of the receiver; it is a one inch wide notched blade reminiscent of a revolver's rear sight. There are 2 separate Saginaw Gear manufacturers. The smooth push button safety is marked IP-W which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 95). Make: Saginaw SG. SOLD - Factory Chrome Walther PPK - Rare. They are a specialty that U.S. Saginaw SG guns were produced from the remnants of the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand Rapids. It is in great shape. Copyright 2012-document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) As solutions to old problems were learned, some of the same The right side of the receiver shows some thinning from cycling. A few manufacturers used some serial number blocks out of order. Are you sure it is a Saginaw? The barrel has been treated with cold blue. Anticipated shortages led to the use of yellow birch. The magazine shows scrapes, thin scratches, and discoloration from oxidation. After WWII Birch became much more common. Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. Four of the prime contractors did not have the ability The left side of the receiver (under the wood) has a tooling hole at the rear. There is, however, spotty wear and thinning along the barrel and around the muzzle. The stocks were also stamped with code markings which are normally found inside of the sling recess on the left side. The thin high wood area was eliminated as it was perceived as a weak point. The top of the barrel is marked UNDERWOOD / 3 43 and P. There is no erosion. Guns.com is built to be simple easily organized products, useful descriptions from experts, and support to guide you to the right choice. These receivers were purchased by Winchester. Underwood had receivers in various stages of completion left over when their contract ended. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B This M1 Carbine is 1 part short of being considered all matching. Bogus trolling question. Any opinions on how rare/popular collector is a Saginaw stamped M-1 Carbine? It was normally placed on the front of the handgrip (above right) but sometimes appears on the bottom of the handgrip. The trigger group is a type two pattern with the upright Inland markings on We've been wringing out the SFAR for several weeks and, with the first 500 rounds in the rearview, decided to go for some quiet time. Our goal is to encourage collectors by providing honest descriptions, fair prices, and the best customer service. The barrel is an Underwood barrel that was supplied to Saginaw SG. Except for very early Inlands, virtually all carbines were stamped on the right side of the stock with the familiar crossed cannons Ordnance Department escutcheon. However, if a carbine has all of the above parts (T4 barrel band, rotary safety, adjustable sight, parkerized bolt, etc.) Mechanics:The action functions correctly. Thicker wood along the right side adjacent the slide (bottom). There is insufficient data to determine if every serial number between the lows and highs was duplicated or if it was random. Is any of this "original" or a product of a couple rebuilds? That S/N is a Saginaw Grand Rapids number. Bore Condition:The bore is bright; semi bright at the muzzle. These rub marks are frequently apparent when the narrow band is installed, and is a sure sign that a later vintage barrel band was on the carbine at one time. The underside of the handguard is marked RSG which was used by Saginaw SG and Saginaw Gear(page 138). Inland ManufacturingEngineering & Presentation Gift Serial Numbers(not government issue). There is no bayonet lug. Do you have anything on safeties? No one, so far, at CMP has ID'ed it yet. 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